I'm currently remodeling on the cheap (Mills Pride cabinetry and Home Depot stock countertops) to get the kitchen out of the 1960's (metal cabinets and no dishwasher). Due to the multiple doorways in my kitchen (there are 4) the cabinets are broken up enough that there isn't sufficient space for a full size dishwasher right next to the sink. My concern is how can I plumb a drain for a stand alone dishwasher? The power and hot water supply lines are simple enough but the drain has me a little stumped. The main drain line in the basement runs pretty close to where I want to put the dishwasher in the kitchen and it's PVC pipe which is easy to tee into, I'm just wondering about venting issues, trap design and so on.
I if I had unlimited funds I'd just move the range and/or sink to another wall to make room for the dishwasher to have a sink drain to tee into but that is a lot larger of a project than I have time and money for right now.
How far away is the dishwasher going to be from the plumbing for the kitchen sink? We have done some pretty weird kitchen layouts at work (new modular home construction) and have always used either 5./8 or in your case 3/4 dishwasher hose to run from the drain line off the dishwasher to the dishwasher wye that we put inline on the kitchen abs. If you want you can shoot me some pics and ill see what i can do to help you out.
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When I had a stand alone dishwasher in an apartment, it drained into the sink. The water came from an attachment on the sink faucet. When I finally moved into a house, I took the metal cabinet shell off and built it in. I had the metal cabinet kicking around for several years, using the metal for patches on rust damage on a car I was working on. It was a good heavy guage metal, enamal coated paint.
The one above shows the sink and the dishwasher where I'd like it to go on the left. As you can see if I would put it to the left of the sink I'd have 3 problems:
3. It wouldn't open all the way without hitting the cabinets on the wall to the left (where I want to put the dishwasher), so I'd loose some cabinets and counter space to give clearance.
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To the left of the sink is out also unless I move the range to another part of the kitchen and redesign the entire layout of everything:
Is the range gas or 220? If its electric, I'd swap the range and the washer, were it my kitchen. The washer looks at home next to the sink, and is more functional there. The range does not need to be adjacent to it. The only reason i see for keeping it there is if you are tied down to a natural gas line or something. Good luck matching that counter top though
It's a 220v electric Bosch range. The advantage of keeping it at its current location is that it is on an outside wall so when I put in a range hood external venting will be relatively easy. The wall where the dishwasher is currently sitting is an interior wall, so I'd have to run a lengthy vent to the outside through a wall or the ceiling.
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The countertops are going. Got some gray granite looking Formica tops to replace them (they were a discontinued color at Home Depot so I paid less than $100 on clearance for two 8 foot pieces and a 6 footer that I'll cut down to fit). Some of the old ones will make nice workstations in the garage though.
I'm a plumber. I'm not sure what the laws are in PA but in CA you can't use an S-trap (a loop over vent). Hence, you need to vent up the wall to the roof. You don't HAVE to have the vent inside the wall. If you want to fir out the wall with a 4 inch chase behind the diswasher you can avoid tearing up the drywall, but you lose 4 inches of what already looks like a small kitchen.
If it were mine, I'd relocate the sink to either side of the counter (not in the middle) and place the dishwasher on the other side and vent and drain through the sink plumbing.
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You can put a dishwasher anywhere you want. The key is the vent. Ideally if you can go up a wall and hit the main vent that is the best
Yea...thought of that, I would have done that if I didn't think it would mess up the looks because the sink is symmetrical with the two windows right now. That and I'm doing this on the cheap....note that the sink base cabinet (which was the only existing wood cabinet in the kitchen) has new doors on the sides, I'm just hanging new doors on the existing cabinet to make them match the rest of the ones I plan to install.
I'm a plumber. I'm not sure what the laws are in PA but in CA you can't use an S-trap (a loop over vent).
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I'm not sure what the codes are in this rural town. When I redid the bathroom it had a S-trap for the sink so I'd assume they are legal:
The house is well and septic. The entire drain system in the house sometime in the late '90's was upgraded to PVC pipe by the previous owner (I have the receipts from the plumber he hired). I did note that there is only one main vent to the roof in the system (the bathroom side of the house which is the far side of the system). The kitchen is above where the system exits the house into the septic system. The kitchen sink is just S-trap'ed into the main line with no vent. Thought that was kind of odd, but I really don't have any experience with houses with septic systems (grew up in the suburbs of Pittsburgh).
So am I stuck? Where I want the dishwasher to be really seems the best appearance and convenience wise (at least to me) but if there is no practical way for me to plumb a drain I guess I'll have to modify my plans. Is one of those air admittance valves a possibility? Like a Studor mini-vent?
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Hmm, I wonder what it would look like with two sinks. One on each side and the dishwasher in the middle. What ever you do you will loose space. I would dump our sink in a heart beat if my wife would let me. Just a small one to wash veggies in is good enough.
As I recall a dishwasher pumps the water out like a wash machine not like a sink that drains by gravity, what is the drain outlet pipe size on the dishwasher?
A vent stack is to allow air into the system so when you flush the toilet the suction of the water going down wouldn't pull the water out of the sink traps which is only there to keep sewer smells from the house.
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The only concern I have with this setup is that (as previously mentioned) a dishwasher pumps the water out....won't that pumping action just blow the water out of the P-trap reducing it's effectiveness?
Sometimes the best choice is to loose a door. I had one that opened to the kitchen next to the stove, every now and again a boiling pot flew off the stove. 2 doors was plenty. The spot makes a real good work / storage space with the additional cabinates and counters on either side of the stove. The other side of the wall is a nice place for pictures. 4 doors sounds excessive.
I agree....except for the door by the sink is the door to the outside. I'd be happy to lose one of the other doorways (one to the hall, one to the living room and one that leads to the step upstairs which could also be accessable from the hallway) but they are on the other side of the room away from the appliance and utility hook ups.
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